The Perilous Fight, with Dr. Ben Carson

Good morning, my friend. I'm Dr. Lee Warren, and I am so excited to be with you today and grateful.

It is Tuesday, and today there is an incredible new book releasing into the

world, and it is called The Perilous Fight.

Perilous Fight is written by Dr. Ben Carson. Dr.

Ben Carson, of course, world-famous neurosurgeon, kind of notable for being

the pediatric neurosurgeon that separated Siamese twins born connected at the head.

Dr. Carson was the chief of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins for a long time.

He went on to a career in politics, was the secretary of housing and urban development under President Trump.

And now he runs an organization called the American Cornerstone Institute,

which is built to champion conservative solutions to our nation's toughest challenges.

Challenges it's guided by the cornerstones of faith liberty

community and life and they're attempting to

strengthen the bonds that hold this country together by promoting conservative

common sense solutions to the issues that are facing our society these four

cornerstones dr carson believes laid the foundation for the greatest nation

the world has ever seen and promoting them and preserving them can secure the

united states of america as a beacon of hope hope, and freedom for generations to come.

Well, I've got Dr. Ben Carson on the show today, one of the only other neurosurgeons

I've ever had. You heard Joe Maroon recently on the show.

I've had Jay Wellens on the show before to talk about his book,

but there's not that many brain surgeons that sit down and talk to each other on podcasts.

I'm so honored and grateful to have a chance to talk to Dr.

Carson about his book, The Perilous Fight.

How can we restore the American family, one of the cornerstones that he believes

is the secret to getting our country back on track.

And if you are concerned about the way that America is going right now,

if you believe that America is important and helping the world.

Not only in security, but in leading the fight for traditional families and

faith, then Dr. Carson will help you.

He's got a great message, and it was a considerable honor to have a chance to talk to him.

And so without further ado, I want to bring you a conversation with the incredible,

world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development,

American Cornerstone Institute founder and leader, and New York Times bestselling

author, her, by the way, Dr. Ben Carson.

But before we get into the conversation with Dr. Carson, I have a question.

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This is your place. This is your time, my friend. Let's get after it.

Music.

We're back, and I'm so excited to introduce to you somebody that I've been following for many years.

You've heard his name. You may have seen movies or read books that he's written.

Dr. Ben Carson is here with us today. Dr. Carson, welcome to the show. Thank you.

Well, thank you, Lee. It's wonderful to be with you, to be with a fellow neurosurgeon.

Yes, sir. Am I the first brain surgeon that's had you on their podcast?

I've had brain surgeons on my podcast, but this is the first time that I'm the guest.

There you go. Very good. Sir, before we get started talking about this very

important new book that you've written today, would you mind leading us off in prayer? Absolutely.

Our Father in heaven, we're so grateful for this opportunity to reach out to

people all over the country to talk about you and the goodness that you have

provided in all of our lives.

And we ask that you would guide this discussion and make it beneficial. In Jesus' name, amen.

Amen. Thank you, sir. Well, Ben, I'm sure that most everybody listening to us

today knows who you are, and I've introduced you already.

But just in case there's somebody that's living under a rock somewhere and doesn't

know who Ben Carson is, would you give us just a high-level overview of your life and your story?

Yes. You know, I grew up in Detroit.

My parents both came from Chattanooga, Tennessee. My mother getting married

when she was 13, having been a member of a very large family,

getting less than a third grade education.

Some years later discovering that my father was a bigamist.

So she had the dubious distinction of raising us by herself in the inner city.

But she was an amazing person, perhaps the wisest person I've ever known.

And she was the one who insisted that.

We'd turn off the TV and start reading books. And all of her friends said,

you can't make boys stay in the house reading books.

They'll grow up and they'll hate you. And I would overhear them and I would

say, you know they're right, Mother. But it didn't matter. We still had to do it.

But it was amazing for me because as I read stories about physicians and scientists

and entrepreneurs and explorers, I began to understand that the person who has

the most to do with what happens to you in life is you,

and I kind of threw away the victim mentality and stopped listening to all the

people who said you can't do this and you can't do that and the system stacked

against you just forgot about all that.

And so did my brother and I think my mother had the last laugh because one son

became a brain surgeon and the other became a rocket scientist,

maybe she knew what she was talking about But, you know, going on from inner

city to Detroit to Yale and then to medical school at Michigan,

where I intended to become a psychiatrist,

but the neurosurgeons there were so spectacular and they told such great stories

that I decided that that was the way I should go.

And I started out as an adult neurosurgeon, but quickly moved to pediatrics,

because you could do so much more with a pediatric brain and get away with it

because of the plasticity.

And I was fortunate to be involved in a lot of very high level cases.

It was interesting how the Lord prepared me for that because when I finished

my residency, I was given a chance to go to Australia.

And I said, Australia? Are you kidding me? I don't want to go to Australia.

You drill a hole from Baltimore, you come out in Australia.

And also I had heard they had a whites-only policy. But it seemed like every

time we turned around, there was somebody saying, good night, mate.

How are you going? I kept running to Australians everywhere,

and there are all these specials on.

And I said to my wife, I think the Lord wants us to go to Australia.

So she did some research.

They did have a whites-only policy, but it was an unofficial policy.

And it had officially been abolished in 1968.

Wow. So this was 1983. So we sold all of our earthly goods, and off we went to Australia.

And our friends said, you'll be back in three weeks. But little did they know,

we didn't have any more money, so we couldn't come back. You had to stay.

But we had a wonderful time there. The Aussies love Americans.

And there were only four neurosurgical consultants in all of Western Australia.

Once they discovered that I knew how to operate, they kind of left me in charge

of the major teaching hospital while they went out to the private hospitals.

If I had stayed on at Hopkins, I would have been the low man on the totem pole,

got to do what nobody else wanted to do.

Here I was doing three or four major craniotomies every day.

I did that for a year. When I came back in a position to open up for chief of

pediatric neurosurgery, usually Eventually at Hopkins, they would go out and

get somebody with a lot of gray hair and a big name.

They said, Carson's only 33, but my God, he can do everything. So I got the position.

And then that put me in a position to do a lot of other cases.

And early on in that experience, you know, a case came to me that everyone said was hopeless.

And it turned out after a couple of operations that that young man not only

survived, but he's a minister today.

But I realized at that point that it really wasn't me.

I said, Lord, I'll be the hands from now on.

You'll be the neurosurgeon. And that's when all kinds of amazing things started to happen.

And then I predetermined when I was going to retire from neurosurgery because

someone told me that neurosurgeons die early and I didn't believe it.

So I wrote down the name of the last 10 neurosurgeons I knew who died.

Calculate the average age of death, and it was 61. So I said,

I'm going to retire when I turn 61, if I'm still alive.

But I failed retirement, ended up in government. And then after those four years

in government as the Secretary of HUD, I decided that now I could really retire

because I know how to do it.

But seeing the direction of the country, I said, that I would have no fun at

all playing golf all day or cruising around the world.

So I said, I will get this organization started, the American Cornerstone Institute.

And some very talented people from HUD joined me in the endeavor to emphasize

those cornerstone principles that made America great.

Our faith, which allows us to interact appropriately with each other.

Our Judeo-Christian values say, love your neighbor. not

hate your neighbor not cancer your neighbor if they have a different sign cornerstone

of Liberty freedom which is the thing that drew so

many people to this country from around the world yeah

the cornerstone of community learning

how to work for the common good we had people from every place many times they

didn't even speak the same language but they knew the concept of community it's

harvest time and somebody broke their leg everybody else harvested their crops

no questions asked they didn't care what their religion was or what their politics were.

That was the kind of thing that really made us strong. And then the cornerstone

of life, from the womb to the tomb, respect for life.

And as we moved away from that respect, look what's happening to us as we spiral downward.

And we clearly have to address that before it's too late.

And then we had a little Patriots program, concentrating on the kids.

We call it the inoculation to indoctrination because the Marxists like Lenin

said, give me your children to teach for four years, and the seed that I sow will never be uprooted.

And you see why they're so active in our public school system.

And then we have an executive branch for America program, which teaches people

how the government works, because we're trying to encourage particularly college

students to go into government with a conservative bent.

Because if everybody with a conservative bent says, it's a swamp,

it's It's horrible and I don't want to get involved. Who's left to run everything?

So we really have to address that before that becomes a crisis.

That's right. Do you think in some ways we're reaping kind of what we sowed

40 or 50 years ago when it feels like conservative Christian families sort of

discouraged their kids from going into teaching and politics and academics and that sort of thing?

To a large degree. And also, people have become silent.

One of the things I discovered when I was running for president is I traveled

all over the country to the smallest little hamlets of North Dakota and Alabama

to the largest cities. is that most people have common sense.

What they lack is courage. They'd rather stand in a corner and stare at the

floor and hope no one calls them a nasty name than to stand up for what they believe in.

And you really cannot be the land of the free if you're not the home of the brave.

And we spend a lot of time talking to audiences and trying to get them to understand

it. You've got to get involved.

You can't just turn your back in indifference and expect for us to be able to maintain this country.

And that's what Benjamin Franklin meant when he came out of the Constitution

Hall in 1787 after a very arduous and contentious discussion,

and they finished the Constitution.

And a woman said, Sir, what do we have here, a monarchy or a republic?

And he said, a republic, if you can keep it.

We've kept it for over 240 years. We're as close to losing it now as we ever

have been, and we really have to wake up pretty quickly.

Amen. In the light of all these things that you're talking about,

Ben, you have written a new book called The Perilous Fight,

and it really is an eye-opening sort of clarion call to defend and try to restore

one of those cornerstone values that this country was founded on,

the family. So talk about the family for a minute.

Absolutely. Well, when you're talking about the key basic building blocks of

a society, you're talking about the family.

The family builds the community and the community builds the state which builds the nation.

So if you want to fundamentally change a nation and you're smart,

you go for the foundation, and that is the family.

So we've seen not only indifference to the family, we've seen a direct attack on the family.

You see how Hollywood minimizes the traditional nuclear family as being unnecessary, maybe even harmful.

And they elevate the less traditional

types of families as the ideal and then

they try to confuse the children and our

educational system tries to usurp the authority

of parents and you see

a lot less traditional marriages far fewer nuclear families massive number of

divorces and interestingly enough you You can find all of that in the congressional

record from January 10, 1963.

I go through the details of all of that in the book. Congressman Herlong of

Florida wrote the 45 goals of communism in America.

And you can see that they've accomplished almost all of those things.

And that's what Eisenhower was told by Khrushchev over 60 years ago.

He said, your grandchildren's children will live under our system.

And we won't have to fire one shot.

They knew what they were doing. We think we won the Cold War,

but maybe we better rethink that and recognize that we're being manipulated.

That's right. When you talk about Marxism, I mean, I think a lot of people hear

that and they think, you know, boots and Red Square and all of that.

But to unpack what cultural Marxism is and help us understand that,

it's not a conspiracy theory. It's a real thing that's happening.

Well, what it basically is in a nutshell you is turning over control of your

life to a governing body.

And it's completely antithetical to the principles of the founding of this nation.

And we really are the ones who stand in opposition to it. Our system does.

If you ever want to have a one world government, you've got to bring the United

States of America into submission.

That's right. You're never going to do it with nuclear weapons or other kinds

of military forces, but you can do it from inside. side.

And that's why an attempt is being made to divide us on the basis of race, age, income.

Religion, gender, politics, you name it, and get the people fighting and being

at each other's throat all the time, unable to focus on what is really important.

And you can destroy that society.

And that's exactly what's happened to the United States right now.

And a lot of people are worried about it, and a lot of people have sort of thrown

the towel in and said, well, you know, we've had our 250 years.

That's about as long as most empires last, so I guess it's somebody else's turn.

It's not somebody else's turn. I think Alexis de Tocqueville put it very well.

In 1831, he came to America to study our system because the Europeans were fascinated.

They couldn't understand how a new nation, barely 50 years old,

was competing with them on virtually every level. How in the world was that possible?

And he looked at our government and was very impressed by the fact that we had

a system of checks and balances.

And he looked at our business environment and was very impressed with the way

that we encouraged entrepreneurship and innovation.

And then he looked at our school system and he couldn't believe that he could

go out into the woods and find a mountain man who could read,

who could tell him about the Declaration of Independence.

And if you really want to be impressed, take a look at a sixth grade exit exam

from 150 to 200 years ago, which you had to know to get a sixth grade certificate.

It is very impressive and you compare that to today.

You see those men on the street interviews, they ask people really simple questions,

and they have no clue what the answer is.

That's right. Well, that always happens before a country turns socialist or communist.

They dumb down the population because you have to have people who are accepting of what you say.

And you can just say anything. It doesn't matter what their eyes or ears say.

You just say it, and they say, okay.

Like you say, the southern border is secure.

It's not a problem, even though there are millions of people coming across, including terrorists.

And some people say, oh, the government said it was okay. You have to have people

like that in order to fundamentally change a society.

Yes, sir. And then he looked at our pulpits. He looked at our churches.

And that's what impressed him more than anything else, the sermons that were

coming from those pulpits, which really laid down the gospel.

And was so powerful that they encouraged a ragtag bunch of militiamen to defeat

the most powerful military force on earth.

That's right. And when he finished his two-volume set called Democracy in America,

he ended it by saying, America is great because America is good.

And if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.

That's what we're struggling with now. That's right.

Wow, that's powerful. I was going to say, we get an email once in a while from

a listener who asks a question about politics.

How should a Christian view or interact with politics?

And especially in this day and age, because it seems like when Christians speak

up and try to get involved in politics, they get labeled.

You're a Christian nationalist, or you're this or you're that.

So how should the average person out there look at politics?

How should we pray for elections?

What should they do? Well, they should pray for wisdom.

The Bible says, Be wise as serpents and humble as doves.

You know, you've got to know what's going on. You've got to avail yourself of knowledge.

And then you have to know how to interact with people, not in a holier-than-thou

fashion, which is a major turnoff, but in a way of understanding.

What Jesus did, he certainly dealt with politics.

Politics, he frequently just asked people questions, which helped them to illuminate

the subject very well and understand what the point was.

Because a lot of times people argue without actually knowing what the point of their argument is.

That's right. You need to be very clear about that. And Christians need to recognize

that your objective is to glorify God.

Like it says in Matthew 5.16, Let your light so shine before men that they may

glorify your Father which is in heaven. Not to glorify yourself.

Not to glorify one party or the other.

To do what is right and always to advocate for what is right.

And if you let that be your guiding light, it uncomplicates your life.

That's right. That's beautiful. Talk about the family.

You share some statistics and some data in this book, The Perilous Fight,

which, by the way, is available everywhere books are sold today.

You're going to hear this on the day the book comes out. Dr.

Carson has done a tremendous job at showing us what the family is and what it

should be and what's happening to it in American society and how that's threatening our way of life.

So talk about some of the things that have happened over the last 50 or 75 years

to the family and what we can do about it.

Well, what's interesting is you can look at the work of the conservative study

organizations or the liberal organizations.

They both come to the same conclusion. And that is that children who are raised

in a traditional nuclear family with mother and father.

Do much better on every measurable point than children who are raised in nontraditional settings.

And that's one of the reasons that we really should have policies and things

that facilitate the formation of families instead of denigrating the family.

You know, you may remember how starting about 40 years ago, all the sitcoms

made the father like a doofus of some type. That's right.

And, you know, the mother was always the superhero juggling a career and managing a household.

And I think people kind of take that in and inculcate it into who they are.

So we have a lot of men who have become convinced that they're not essential parts of the family.

You know they donate their sperm and they're gone and they don't feel any responsibility,

toward the children or toward the family unit at all,

and many of them feel inferior they feel that they're not needed anymore a lot

of things that have happened in the women's movement reinforces that thinking.

And then you have thrown on top of all of that gender confusion fusion,

which has become very big these days.

And think about what that does to the children.

Children are just amazing gifts from God.

You think about the fertilization of that egg.

You got the male sperm with 23 gametes and the female egg with 23 gametes.

And then they come together and all of a sudden you've got 46 gametes,

you've got a zygote, just like that, and the brain cells start forming immediately,

millions of them every day.

But that's still going on when the baby is born.

And that's why newborn babies sleep 20 to 22 hours a day, that brain developing so fast.

And it continues to develop into the 20s.

So now we take this developing brain and we're asking them to decide,

age 7, 8, 9, 10, are you a boy or a girl?

Well, keep in mind that children are naturally curious and are very suggestible.

That's right. So when you hit them with that kind of responsibility and try

to exclude their parents from the decision-making process, I think it qualifies as child abuse.

They're not ready for that. Their brain is not ready for that.

But those are all the kinds of things that undermine traditional families because

in many cases those kids are told, don't tell your parents about what we're doing.

And you know they can't even

go to the dentist and get work done in their

teeth without parental consent so how in the

world are you going to be giving them hormones and doing all these things to

affect their psyche without their parental consent but that's what's happening

in our society today the authority of the family is being usurped and changed

and while i'm talking about the transgender stuff,

you know, we're just not thinking logically anymore.

When you think that a man can come into women's sports and that that's fair,

that's no more fair than in boxing not having weight categories and having a

250-pound heavyweight and a featherweight fighting each other.

That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah. That's right. Right. And we're seeing real harm being done,

not only to young girls and their their self-esteem and all of that,

but to their physical bodies.

We're seeing people get injured and, you know, seriously hurt by men who are

competing against them.

We're much bigger with lots, lots bigger bone mass and muscle mass.

It's not it's not fair. No, it totally isn't.

And there are a lot of unfair things that are that are going on.

And I think a lot of people are becoming cynical, but what we're encouraging

people to do is instead of becoming cynical and throwing your hands up, become informed.

Recognize that you have a sphere

of influence. There's no one who doesn't have a sphere of influence.

In some cases it may be small, in some cases very large.

But use it effectively.

And if we all start using it, look at the impact that it can have.

Take a look at Jesus and his 12 disciples.

Look at the incredible influence that they had over the course of time. That's right.

So what should people do, the person out there who's concerned about what's

happening in the family and in our country, what should people do?

What would an average person do next if they're concerned about this?

Well, they need to get engaged in conversation.

We're told from the time that we're children,

Whatever you do, don't talk about religion or politics.

Those are the exact things we need to be discussing. We need to be talking about

how we relate to those things because evil functions best in darkness.

They don't want to be exposed in terms of what they're doing.

The best way to do that is not have people talk about them.

It's like Satan. You know, Satan wants you to think that he's a little guy with

a pitchfork and a red tail and horns because that's ridiculous.

And then people say, oh, that's a bunch of bunk.

But if I were Satan, I'd do everything I can to make people think that I didn't exist. That's right.

That's right. So get involved, ask questions. So the perilous fight is really

a look at the traditional American family and our values and how those families are put together.

And then it's a look at the fact that the decline in the American family is

not really just an organic thing that's happening over time,

but it's a planned and intentional process by those that would see this country fail.

So, talk maybe for a second about the pathway that has led to the decline in

the family and what outside forces are involved in that.

Well, it's the Marxist ideology that has infiltrated the teacher unions that

really have infiltrated almost every place now.

You see Wall Street, you see the boardrooms, DEI, all of these things are Marxist ideological facets.

Because if you can remove the concept of personal responsibility and excellence

and replace it with government responsibility and equity,

as they call it, the same outcomes for everybody, then you've planted all the

seeds that are necessary to fundamentally change this nation.

And there's a huge effort underway right now.

Everybody thinks that this is something that has just occurred,

but as I said, you can go back and look at the Congressional record 60 years

ago and see that the seeds for all of this was being laid at that time, including...

Taking sexual perversion and making it normal, natural, and healthy.

Those are the words that it is.

And that's exactly what's happening to us as we completely lose our morality.

And it also talks about the churches and infiltrating the churches and replacing

the real gospel with the social gospel.

And that's why you see so many of the churches today with their finger in the

air trying to see which way the wind is blowing and trying to accommodate what's

happening in society as opposed to helping to structure the rules so that people

actually know what's right and wrong.

Now you hear people using terms like my truth and your truth instead of the truth.

And obviously, if we don't have any standards, we're going to deteriorate.

And we see that happening.

You look at all the criminal activity that's going on now because people no

longer respect each other, respect each other's rights.

And it's becoming extremely unsafe. Thank you.

But that's a part of Marxist ideology for changing a society also.

You have to get the people to the point where they say, this isn't working. We need something else.

Our system works very well if you enforce the law.

But obviously, if you don't enforce the law, you get the kind of chaos that we're seeing.

And this is just the beginning of it. And then you have to be concerned also

about how people are feeling unsafe because of the people who are coming into

our country and are not being screened,

and in many cases are dangerous individuals.

All of that contributes to creating an atmosphere of uncertainty and fear,

which facilitates the kinds of change that would be needed in order to turn

the United States into what the Marxists want.

And no one should be comforted and think that there's no way they can ever do that to us.

Think about it 20 years ago would anybody

have said the things that are going on in our country right now

would be going on no they would have said that's ridiculous

that never happened in the United States and yet

here we are right in the middle of it your book starts in a pretty heavy place

almost a dark but it's not a dark place you just started by describing what's

happening what's been happening but then you turn towards hope and I think it's

It's a really powerful message that you give us,

especially for somebody listening who has been through a divorce or who wasn't

raised in a traditional family like you. You weren't raised in a traditional family.

But there's great hope there anyway.

Talk about how do we find hope in all this, Dr. Carson? Where do we find hope?

I bring that up in the book. I said, you know, obviously I was raised in a single-parent home.

But then you revert to the principles.

You know, for instance, in my home, my mother, who if anybody was a victim,

she was one, but absolutely would not accept the label of victim in any way, shape or form.

Never made excuses. And as a result of that, I think laid an example for us

and she never accepted excuses from us.

And if we made an excuse, the next thing out of her mouth was a poem,

Yourself to Blame, which I put in the book.

You're the captain of your ship. When things go awry, don't blame others.

You have yourself to blame.

And that way, you start looking for solutions.

When there's a problem, instead of looking for someone to blame,

you start looking for solutions.

And that's the real key to us as a nation getting out of this morass that we're

in and for individuals to get out of difficulties that they're in.

Find solutions. That's why God gave us, I don't have to tell you,

these amazing brains that can process two million bits of information per second

that never forgets anything you've ever seen or heard.

I mean, the human brain is just an amazing organ system, and it was given to

us by our creator after his image.

So the things that we're capable of are pretty amazing.

What's your vision? What's your prophecy for America?

You've been in the fight. I mean, you are in the perilous fight.

You're leading the way there.

So what do you think God has in store for the United States?

Well, you know, they say it's always darkest before the dawn.

And sometimes it has to be pretty dark before people can see the light. I think we're there.

And we tend to be a very reactionary country.

We're not like China that has long-term planning.

We tend to react to what's going on, so I think we will react to what's going on now.

Tremendous swing in the other direction. I think we have to be just as vigilant

to make sure that that swing does not go too far,

that we don't start trying to legislate morality and controlling people's lives,

because we'll look back at this time and say, see what happens when you let

those people get some power?

So we're going to have to manage this in a very God-like, Christ-like manner.

Or we could actually wind up in an even more difficult situation if we find

ourselves being totalitarian and trying to legislate how people behave.

I think that's well said. And I think that a lot of people were disappointed

in President Trump's recent statement on his views on the pro-life issue.

But I found myself saying, you know, gosh, I would love to have a more staunchly

pro-life government, but the problem is we're a constitutional republic,

and our driving principle is supposed to be that the states make those kinds of decisions.

So I actually felt like his answer was consistent with that of a conservative

position of governance.

Yeah, well, you know, you have to get to first base before you can get to home

base when you're playing baseball.

And if your stance, your position is such that you never get to first base,

then you obviously will never score.

So when I said before, you have to be as wise as a serpent and humble as doves.

And that's where we ask God for his input and to guide us along the way.

Because, you know, Jesus was amazing when you read his life.

And you see the kinds of people that he associated with, the kinds of people

that people would say, don't associate with those people. Those are bad people.

But then he said, you know, who needs the doctor, the sick patient or the well

patient? Who needs the hospital?

And we should be thinking about that in the way that we treat people.

And we should always treat people with love and kindness, understanding,

recognizing that people get where they are because of circumstances that have

occurred in their lives.

And you can be one of those circumstances that helps people to find the right

direction. That's right.

What do you think is your prime aim for the book that you've written and worked so hard?

I mean, we've both written books, and it is a hard job. It's harder than brain surgery, I think.

What do you think you want people to get from The Perilous Fight?

I want them to realize that we are in a fight, that it is no longer satisfactory

just to sit back and to be a critic.

But, you know, our country was born in a crucible of conflict.

And it will only be preserved if we get into the fight.

Recognize that there are people who want to fundamentally change us into something else.

That the mechanism for doing that is to destroy our foundation, which is our families.

That we have to understand who our enemies are.

And that's what I want this book to show. So I think it demonstrates quite well

who is behind all this and how they are trying to manipulate us.

And we get to decide.

Are we going to let them win? We are not enemies, I like to say. W-A-N-E.

We are not enemies. Wayne.

For a long time we've allowed hatred and division to wax.

Now it's time for it to wane. and each one of us has a part to play in doing

that, not allowing ourselves to be manipulated.

That's what I want. I want people to come away from this with the fighting spirit.

And recognizing that this is the United States of America.

We're not like everybody else. We've not been from the beginning.

Our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, says that our rights come from our creator.

They don't come from government. And we need to understand that and move forward

like the kinds of people who made it possible for us to have this great nation.

Amen. How can people connect with you, Dr. Carson?

AmericanCornerstone.org is our website. And from that, you can navigate all around.

You can go to Executive Branch for America,

Little Patriots, My American Story,

My Anwar American Story, which interviews a bunch of people who've come from

socialist and communist societies and very difficult circumstances and have

achieved the American dream.

And how did they do it? And what did they observe? And in many cases,

what do they see that's very disturbing to them right now that's happening in

this country that reminds them of the places that they came from?

And the other thing that I should mention to people is all of our programs,

when you look at the website you can say, wow, this is a very elaborate program,

it's very expensive. And you'd be right.

But it's free of charge because we've gotten

wonderful patriots from across the

country to underwrite the programs so that

we can offer them to everybody outstanding dr carson you've lived a life of

service both your patients and to all of us in this country and the whole world

and we're so grateful for the work that you do and are doing and the light that

you're shining can't recommend the perilous fight highly enough friend we have

a gift from the publisher we have three copies of the book to give away.

You can send an email, lee at drleewarren.com, with your name,

mailing address, and zip code. If you want to be considered for one of Dr.

Carson's books, we are giving away three copies of The Perilous Fight,

available now everywhere books are sold.

Dr. Ben Carson, thank you, sir, for your time. God bless you.

And thank you, Lee. You've been fantastic.

Thanks for being a patriot, and I'm proud to call you a colleague in medicine.

What a great conversation with Dr. Carson. I'm so grateful that he took the time to be with us.

Check out The Perilous Fight, his new book that's releasing available everywhere

books are sold today. Don't forget to support your local booksellers.

And we do have three copies of Dr. Carson's amazing book to share with three

listeners that we will select in 48 hours.

So write in to Lee at DrLeeWarren.com with your name, your physical address,

and your zip code if you'd like to be included in the drawing for a copy of Dr.

Carson's book graciously provided to us by the great folks over at Zondervan.

Pray that this conversation was helpful to you. Please check out The Perilous

Fight and Dr. Carson's website, the American Cornerstone Institute.

It is a wonderful organization doing great work to restore traditional American

values to our families, our communities, our schools, and our whole nation.

God bless you, friend. I hope this was helpful. We will see you again tomorrow on Wild Card Wednesday.

Remember, you can't change your life until you change your mind.

And get in The Perilous Fight. It's worth it. It's necessary.

And it's time to get after it. God bless you. And don't forget, you can start today.

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